we forgo about $1.2 trillion a year in the tax code, money that otherwise would go to the government, and when you look closely, some of those things are near and dear to us individually and to the economy. the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deductions, deductions for state and local taxes, but beyond that, trust me, there are plenty of things within that tax code, the loopholes where people can park their money in some island offshore and not pay taxes, these are things that need to be closed. we can do that and use the money to reduce the deficit. >> so there are other taxes that you believe that you can, however you want to put them, raise, retrieve, whatever, from the wealthy? >> absolutely. and i'll also tell you that i think we need to open our minds to our tax revenue. you know, we've had conversations about an infrastructure fund that will really start america building again, for the highways and airports and lochs and dams. >> already funded by gas taxes, right. you want to raise the federal gas tax? >> i believe we should have energy taxes that really fund infrastru